Fandango’s Provocative Question #177

FPQ

Welcome once again to Fandango’s Provocative Question. Each week I will pose what I think is a provocative question for your consideration.

By provocative, I don’t mean a question that will cause annoyance or anger. Nor do I mean a question intended to arouse sexual desire or interest.

What I do mean is a question that is likely to get you to think, to be creative, and to provoke a response. Hopefully a positive response.

Above is a recent cover of The Week magazine. I had a mixed reaction to it. Seeing Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President under George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Republican Congresswoman from Wyoming, shown wielding the hypothetical knockout punch to Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential ambitions pissed me off.

Sure, Liz Cheney has been a rare anti-Trump voice among Republicans in Congress, and as vice-chair of the House Select Committee investigating the January 6, 2021 attempted Trump-inspired insurrection at the Capitol building in Washington, DC, she has been articulate and very effective in presenting what Cheney, in her closing remarks at the last televised hearing until next month, called a mountain of damning evidence amassed by the committee that should make “every American” question whether Trump can “ever be trusted with any position of authority in our great nation again.”

But make no mistake about Liz Cheney. She is a conservative Republican through and through, and apart from matters directly involving Donald Trump, she consistently votes along Republican Party lines.

So it angers me that she has become the darling of Democrats. In fact, Democrats are not only fund-raising for her in her effort to beat a Trump-endorsed opponent in the Republican primary next week, they’re also asking Wyoming Democrats to vote for her in the GOP primary race. If she does win the primary, she’ll almost certainly retain her seat in Congress in the general election in November by beating her Democratic opponent. And her re-election could possibly be the straw that would break the camel’s back when it comes to keeping the Democrats in the majority in the House of Representatives.

But my provocative question has less to do with Liz Cheney, specifically, than it does with the impact of the January 6 committee overall.

Do you think, based upon what you’ve seen, read, or heard about the evidence presented so far by the House Select Committee, that it has, in fact, ended Donald Trump’s political career?

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64 thoughts on “Fandango’s Provocative Question #177

  1. Sadje August 10, 2022 / 4:02 am

    I think only time will tell as Trump has a way of slithering out of situations before.

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  2. Nancy Richy August 10, 2022 / 4:30 am

    Oooh! Too provocative for me! I don’t talk politics, money or religion; only leads to trouble! I’ll stick to sex, drugs and rock & roll! 🤣

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    • Fandango August 10, 2022 / 7:10 am

      And he’s calling on them to start a civil war if he’s prosecuted! 🤬

      Liked by 1 person

      • Marleen August 10, 2022 / 6:41 pm

        His minions are also saying to defund the FBI and the Justice Department —
        and, if a Republican gets back into the Oval, to “prosecute everybody.”

        Makes sense, right? Authoritarians “prosecute” with no standard.
        Actually, that fits right in with declaring war on national order.

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  3. XingfuMama August 10, 2022 / 6:58 am

    I’m not ready to call this fight. I think it’s more complex than people seem to believe. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re foreign actors involved. Orban at CPAC after having held it in Hungary is one clue to this. Both Russia and China are experts at propoganda. Trump is un-American and willing to do their bidding so I think they’ll keep him going as long as they can. I think Cheney is being set up as a backup plan by the dark lords of the GOP right now. Koch ties to Russia are non-trivial.

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  4. pensitivity101 August 10, 2022 / 10:56 am

    I don’t do politics either but it amazes me he got away with what he has. I’m glad I don’t live in the US, thought the UK is letting TPTB get away with god knows what too.

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  5. Marleen August 10, 2022 / 1:31 pm

    I don’t think this event follows from the January Sixth Committee,
    but it is about the response pattern of the zombified Trump GOP.

    Republicans Threaten Civil War Over [service of
    warrant to search] Trump’s Mar-a-Lago [Property]

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    • Marleen August 10, 2022 / 3:07 pm

      https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-investigating-how-classified-info-in-mar-a-lago-reports-2022-4

      In February, Attorney General Merrick Garland confirmed that classified material had been found in the [15] boxes at Mar-a-Lago and that the matter had been referred to the DOJ.

      The specific stage of the DOJ investigation is unclear, The Post reported, and it is not known if federal officials have started examining the content of the boxes or have sought to interview those who assembled them or arranged for their removal.

      A separate investigation into the possible mishandling of the classified material is being conducted by the House Oversight Committee, whose chairwoman, Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney, accused the DOJ on Thursday of obstructing its probe.

      The DOJ, she said, had blocked NARA from providing an inventory of items found in the Mar-a-Lago boxes to the panel.

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    • Marleen August 10, 2022 / 4:01 pm

      https://www.wired.com/story/trump-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago/

      ~

      It’s one of a tiny handful of times the DOJ has ever investigated a president. And it’s an action that likely indicates the FBI and prosecutors had specific knowledge of both a definable crime and the evidence to back it up.

      The actual search warrant, which would list specific crimes being investigated, has not been released yet. According to Monday night news reports, however, the search focused on questions about a number of boxes of classified documents that Trump took from the White House to his Florida mansion after leaving the presidency.

      While it may take months to learn more about the underlying investigation, the fact that the FBI launched such a high-profile search already tells us a great deal about the state of the Justice Department’s case.

      ~

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    • Marleen August 10, 2022 / 4:22 pm

      I’m pretty sure this is a right-wing news source, so I’m not giving them any of my information in order to read more of the article. But the part I got, here, is what I was looking for anyway.

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-organisation-mar-a-lago-doj-b2142344.html

      The Department of Justice obtained security CCTV footage from inside Mar-a-Lago, the Palm Beach, Florida, mansion turned private club where former president Donald Trump maintains an office and residence, before requesting a search warrant for the ex-president’s home.

      According to multiple reports, federal investigators issued a subpoena for the CCTV footage to the Trump Organization — the ex-president’s eponymous real estate and hotel business — earlier this year after a … ~

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      • Marleen August 10, 2022 / 4:36 pm

        Oh, it opened up to me after all. I read this detail reported somewhere else as well:

        One law signed by Mr Trump during his time in the White House significantly stiffened the penalty for improper handling of classified information, extending the prison term for violators from one year to five.

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          • Marleen August 12, 2022 / 9:48 pm

            Here is about half of some sloppy notes I took earlier, today: First — not all
            potential crimes or charges have to be listed in the warrant or in the request.

            Three statutes:

            1) 20-year 18 usc 1519 destruction or alteration or falsification of records
            in an active federal investigation [unlawful removal of government material]
            2) 18 usc 2071 (concealment or removal or mutilation of
            defense information [to obstruct an investigation] “impede”
            3-year and bars you from running for future federal office)
            3) 18 usc 793 {and dnf*} The Espionage Act (taking defense information against the interest of the United States or grossly negligently removing it from its proper place of custody AND includes failure to return classified or sensitive information when demanded by the United States 10-year)

            Don’t have to be classified.

            Defense.

            Government property.

            *A court of appeals has said even a president has to follow the rules on
            declassification. But on nuclear topics even a president can’t declassify.

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      • Marleen August 10, 2022 / 6:28 pm

        Asha Rangappa — former counter-intel FBI,
        sometimes presenter at Yale — on The Beat With Ari Melber:

        The crime is having classified documents on the premises without being authorized to possess them. Donald Trump lost his security clearance the minute that he left office. Biden did not extend a security clearance to him. He may not hold classified information. He may not remove government property. He is a possessor of stolen goods.

        ~

        You issue a subpoena to someone who is a lawful custodian, or to use another legal term a bailor, of property. ~ But you don’t issue a subpoena to a thief. You go in and get it.

        The clips aren’t available, yet. She was on for a while and was great. (Today)

        In contrast, in an intro to a segment with a different guest, Ari Melber’s team (on msnbc) showed Shaun Hannity on FOX”news” saying that any associates of Trump “better cross all your ‘i’s and dot all your ‘t’s …” 😁

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        • Marleen August 11, 2022 / 7:01 pm

          A new article (by Maggie Haberman) out, today, says a subpoena was issued to Trump/Mar-a-Lago some months ago. I haven’t read the article, but the idea is that Merrick Garland was patient — I’m not sure if this is always a virtue. Actually… it’s ridiculous, in my opinion, to give Trump such patience. There’s no need for a subpoena, but a protraction of the matter was extended by issuing one anyway? At the same time, WaPo (including Devlin Barrett and Josh Dawsey and more) is saying, tonight, there is a concern about some sensitive things in particular thought to be amongst the stuff demanded (I don’t want to repeat it until there is surety). On second thought, giving Trump a chance to hand all the materials over affirms Trump of being in the position of intentionally holding on to documents not belonging to him when he didn’t comply by giving everything up to the federal government. Yet… is it misleading, in a way, to send a subpoena? If subpoenas are for people (custodians) in lawful possession…

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      • Marleen August 12, 2022 / 11:25 am

        I had to look up the Independent; bugged me I wasn’t remembering something I knew I should remember as significant about it.

        It was founded in 1986 and has changed leadership or ownership a number of times.

        https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-independent/

        … Russian billionaire Alexander Lebedev and his son Evgeny Lebedev acquired The Independent. In 2016, the paper moved to a digital-only format. Simon Kelner is currently the editor-in-chief of the Independent titles. Andreas Whittam Smith, the Independent’s founder, has also joined the board of Independent Print Limited. In 2017, Saudi Businessman Sultan Muhammad Abuljadayel bought a 30% stake in the Independent online newspaper.

        Funded by / Ownership

        The Independent is owned by Independent Print Limited, a company owned by the Lebedev family (Alexander Lebedev and his son Evgeny Lebedev). In 2017, Saudi Businessman Sultan Muhammad Abuljadayel bought a 30% stake in the Independent online newspaper. Advertising and subscription generate revenue for the paper.

        Analysis / Bias

        The Independent recently joined a media group with close links to the Saudi royal family to launch websites across the Middle East. The Guardian has criticized its partnering with a publisher with strong ties to the Saudi government.

        The Independent tends to publish stories utilizing minimally loaded language in their headlines such as: “Theresa May insists Brexit deal is not dead despite EU leaders refusing to make further concessions” and US news “Mueller investigation: Special counsel attacks. Flynn criticism of FBI interview.” The Independent also republishes news from other credible sources such as the Associated Press: “Five things you didn’t know about Germany’s diesel ban.”

        Most stories … tend to be appropriately sourced utilizing credible sources such as USA Today and the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

        According to a 2017 survey conducted by You Gov UK, The Independent has a center-left bias in reporting, with 79% saying it was either Center or Left and only 21% saying it leaned right. Further, a Reuters institute survey found that 47% of respondents trust their news coverage and 17% do not, ranking them #8 in trust of the major UK news providers. In general, The Independent holds a left-leaning editorial bias. Further, they produce a high content volume; therefore, the number of failed fact checks is low compared to the number of stories published. Consequently, they are classified as factually Mixed rather than questionable.

        ……….

        It’s interesting that they’ve got “center” and “left” grouped together. In my opinion, center is right and current culture is (despite voices from the left being heard) right and further right and nuts. And, give me a break, Russian and Saudi billionaires and the Saudi royal family and government are going to be left?

        😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

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    • Marleen August 10, 2022 / 5:00 pm

      Jeez…

      https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/aramroston/why-is-donald-trump-so-obsessed-with-surveillance

      March 16, 2017

      At his private club at Mar-a Lago, as BuzzFeed News revealed last June, Trump listened in on employee phone calls using a special switchboard that was installed in his bedroom and was connected to every phone line in the estate.

      The Trump Organization employs a “director of surveillance,” Matt Calamari, son of Trump’s longtime bodyguard. Inside Trump’s house near Washington, DC, where guests would sometimes stay, an extensive video surveillance system was monitored by Trump security personnel in New York. …

      Oh, there’s more.

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      • Marleen August 10, 2022 / 6:36 pm

        https://www.newsweek.com/eric-trump-says-mar-lago-security-cameras-captured-fbi-acting-improperly-during-raid-1732672

        Eric Trump said that the security cameras at Mar-a-Lago caught FBI agents behaving improperly during Monday’s raid[…]

        In an interview with DailyMail.com, Eric Trump said that because staff refused to turn off the surveillance cameras at the request of the FBI, the Mar-a-Lago cameras captured agents […]

        “There’s 30 agents there,” he recalled on Wednesday. “They told our lawyer…’You have to leave the property right now. Turn off all security cameras.'”

        ~

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        • Marleen August 10, 2022 / 8:21 pm

          Eric Trump said that the FBI refused to give Trump’s lawyer, Christina Bobb, a copy of the search warrant but “showed it to her from about 10 feet away,” DailyMail.com reported. He also said he would be “thrilled” to find out if there was a valid reason for the search.

          However, Bobb told The New York Times a day earlier that she received a copy of the warrant.

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      • Marleen August 12, 2022 / 12:55 pm

        Above the article (at the linked site) I shared two days ago, from the Independent (UK), there is a video clip from FOX”news” that has Eric Trump divulging on camera: under his dad, the FBI wouldn’t have ever done anything without that president telling them to do so (which has always been considered inappropriate while the “paper” [only an online publication] doesn’t point the tell aspect out). Then again additionally, Eric is a liar. Yet, again, Wray has admitted he didn’t do a real search on Kavanaugh before confirmation because Trump told him not to.

        Meanwhile…

        https://floridapolitics.com/archives/545404-rick-scott-biden-fbi/

        ….

        The Mar-a-Lago raid, Scott stressed, is one the Biden administration — and not the former President — must explain.

        “Here’s what needs to happen today. Separately, Merrick Garland, Christopher Wray, and Joe Biden need to do a press conference, take all questions, explain why they’re doing what they’re doing. What each of them knew when,” Scott argued.

        “This should scare every American until we get answers,” Scott continued. “You should have unbelievable concern.”

        Scott made the comments during an appearance on the Fox Business Channel’s “Mornings with Maria.” This was his first interview since the Trump raid, first reported by Florida Politics publisher Peter Schorsch, became global news Monday night.

        ~

        Scott ha[d] yet to talk to Trump since the raid, he said on Fox Business, but intends to reach out this week.

        Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican considered a potential 2024 presidential candidate, said in a statement on Twitter the raid was “an escalation in the weaponization” of U.S. government agencies. Kevin McCarthy, the House Minority Leader, said in a tweet the Justice Department “has reached an intolerable state of weaponized politicization” and said that if Republicans win control of the U.S. House, they will investigate the department.

        ~

        Down among the earliest comments:

        Joe Corsin
        August 9, 2022 at 9:14 am
        Rick Scott was also raided wasn’t he? Went to court for frauds that he DID COMMIT. For these Republicans, it’s law and order for everyone but themselves. Law enforcement is supposed to protect them so that they can grift you see?? Trumpism is a criminal ideology… entitled, anti rule of law movement by the crooks in the GOP.

        {Me: The answer is yes.}

        [AND]

        tom palmer
        August 9, 2022 at 9:15 am
        Odd that Gov. DeSantis thought enforcing the law was important when he removed Democrat Andrew Warren, but criticized it when the target is a fellow Republican suspected of breaking the law.

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        • Marleen August 12, 2022 / 1:35 pm

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Scott

          In 1987, after serving in the United States Navy and becoming a law firm partner, he co-founded Columbia Hospital Corporation. Columbia later merged with another corporation to form Columbia/HCA, which eventually became the nation’s largest private for-profit health care company.[6]

          Scott was pressured to resign as chief executive of Columbia/HCA in 1997. During his tenure as chief executive, the company defrauded Medicare, Medicaid and other federal programs.

          The Department of Justice ultimately fined the company $1.7 billion in what was at the time the largest health care fraud settlement in U.S. history.[7][8] Following his departure from Columbia/HCA, Scott became a venture capitalist and pursued other business interests. In 2009, he founded Conservatives for Patients’ Rights.

          Scott ran for governor of Florida in 2010.

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          • Marleen August 12, 2022 / 1:40 pm

            The bulk of this article is actually audio to click on and hear below the crook’s photo:

            https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/fl-op-col-rick-scott-medicare-fraud-20181002-story.html

            When the federal investigation of Rick Scott’s former hospital company became public in 1997, the board of Columbia/HCA forced him out. Scott left with $300 million in stock, a $5.1 million severance and a $950,000-per-year consulting contract for five years.

            What does Scott call that? Taking responsibility.

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            • Marleen August 12, 2022 / 2:09 pm

              https://www.gq.com/story/rick-scott-trump-health-care-fraud

              April 3, 2019

              On Wednesday morning, Donald Trump tweeted that he would introduce his long-promised alternative to the Affordable Care Act. He’s just not putting the details out …. [as an] ‘alternative to ObamaCare. This will be a great campaign issue. ….’ [he said].

              Of course, this wouldn’t be the first time Trump has overpromised on big policies. He vowed to end birthright citizenship, for example, something that would require a constitutional amendment, and has announced so many times that the upcoming week is “Infrastructure Week,” when his administration will roll out ambitious federal works projects, that it’s practically a joke now. [*]

              But for health care, he at least has some names to throw out. Last week, after announcing that the Republicans would “soon be known as the party of health care,” Trump told reporters that three GOP senators, John Barrasso of Wyoming, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, and Rick Scott of Florida, “are going to come up with something really spectacular.” Scott in particular is an interesting choice. Before he ever held political office, he was a co-founder and CEO for hospital network Columbia/HCA, which the Feds later accused of defrauding Medicare.

              ~

              ~

              Scott is like many in the Trump ecosystem—the administration has put multiple people who have antagonistic and compromising backgrounds in charge of various agencies and industries. …..

              ~

              Now, Scott isn’t any kind of official appointee, and congressional Republicans are most likely hoping Trump drops health care as a talking point since they don’t have any way to move forward with a plan of their own. Trump himself doesn’t even believe that the current lawsuit to throw out the ACA will succeed. Health care is, as Trump tweeted, “a great campaign issue,” but the president can’t even construct a fantasy without tainting it with possible corruption or conflicts of interest.

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            • Marleen August 12, 2022 / 2:51 pm

              I forgot to add my note about infrastructure ([*]): was a “joke” to me until a few seconds after I laughed about it following having told it to an investment clerk a couple years ago. Then it dawned on me that the joke was on us, and me specifically that day. It was privately-owned infrastructure that the government gave any shits about (thus the silence after the announcement of focus on infrastructure was intentional). Then, the investor class calls the whole thing “ethical” investing (or ESG). We have become a rich banana republic on the verge of total loss.

              In the meantime, I found this additional article.

              https://www.newsweek.com/trillionaires-burning-planet-package-deal-opinion-1731955

              The clock ticks away. Even by the most optimistic estimate, the last sands will pass through the climate change mitigation hourglass in 2035. If the world hasn’t cut greenhouse gas emissions to less than half of current levels by then, large parts of our Earth may become uninhabitable.

              ~

              If these trend lines continue, we’re going to watch our last chance to save our climate slip away right as we see the birth of the trillionaire class. And it’s no coincidence.

              These two milestones are inextricably connected, both driven by the reality of American policymakers genuflecting to the demands of our billionaire class. The compulsion of billionaires to accumulate ever-larger fortunes drives them to crush any effort to increase the taxes they’re required to pay. Starved of the revenue needed to fund meaningful climate mitigation programs, policymakers have continued to kick the proverbial can down the road.

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      • Marleen August 19, 2022 / 4:05 pm

        It seems to me he’d be smarter (of for her sake) to stay out of it!

        … Dick Cheney … in … ad for his daughter, Liz…

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        • Marleen August 20, 2022 / 12:41 pm

          https://www.businessinsider.com/cheney-i-was-honored-to-be-compared-to-darth-vader-2011-9

          Zeke Miller Sep 2, 2011, 2:32 PM

          Cheney Vader Former Vice President Dick Cheney told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham that he “was honored” to be compared to Darth Vader while in office.

          Ingraham opened her show with the iconic “Imperial March” theme composed by John Williams…

          “I always had a soft spot for Darth Vader,” Ingraham said, introducing Cheney…

          ~

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          • Marleen August 20, 2022 / 1:09 pm

            Well, I don’t know how the beginning of that article got botched:

            Former Vice President Dick Cheney told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham that he “was honored” to be compared to Darth Vader …

            Also, in what I posted yesterday, I had “(of for her sake)”
            — which was supposed to be if. Of course,
            it depends on what is for her sake.

            Here is a whole other article, this one from 2015:

            By MARC CAPUTO
            11/12/2015 09:58 PM EST

            LAKE BUENA VISTA — Dick Cheney embraced his inner-Darth Vader on Thursday night.

            As the dark theme music that accompanies the Star Wars villain played, Cheney took the stage at the Republican Party of Florida’s Statesman’s Dinner and wasted little time savaging the record of …

            https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2015/11/to-darth-vaders-theme-music-dick-cheney-wows-gop-crowd-027930

            While Cheney was unsparing in targeting the Democrats, he said nothing of the recent criticisms of former President George H.W. Bush, who reportedly called him an “iron ass” for the way he handled foreign policy when he was vice president under George W. Bush, according to a press pool report of the event that featured about 970 GOP activists.

            ~

            Meanwhile, Florida Democrats released a snippet of a 2015 White House Correspondents Dinner joke from Obama: “A few weeks ago, Dick Cheney says he thinks I’m the worst president of his lifetime, which is interesting because I think Dick Cheney is the worst president of my lifetime.”

            …..

            In his speech, Cheney shied away from discussing the Bush family. And when he talked about “our great presidents” he made sure to say Ronald Reagan’s name, not George W. or George H. W. Bush’s. Cheney also plugged his book…

            “My impression is that Obama is eager to get out of town,” Cheney said. “I’m eager to have him get out of town.”

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            • Marleen August 20, 2022 / 3:32 pm

              https://www.newsweek.com/2015/05/29/dick-cheneys-biggest-lie-333097.html

              Quotation of excerpt: But with that parenthetical, reporters are perpetuating one of the greatest falsehoods in history. The real question should be: “Given what we knew then…” Bush hawks knew there was no good intelligence establishing that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). And in what could easily be interpreted as near-treason, they never told the president about the weakness of the intelligence, several former high-ranking officials from the administration have told me.

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            • Marleen August 20, 2022 / 3:57 pm

              https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/378592-meghan-mccain-rips-liz-cheney-for-cia-interrogation-tweet-my/

              … [March 2018] ripped a lawmaker over a tweet directed at her father, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), after he issued a statement raising concerns about President Trump’s pick to lead the CIA. The Arizona senator had issued a statement on Tuesday concerning Trump’s nomination of CIA Deputy Director Gina Haspel to lead the agency, expressing concern over her involvement with the George W. Bush administration’s torture program following the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

              Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), whose father, Dick Cheney, served as vice president under Bush during the program, took to Twitter to accuse McCain of “slandering” the CIA officers who took part in the program.

              “The Enhanced Interrogation Program saved lives, prevented attacks, & produced intel that led to Osama bin Laden,” Cheney tweeted. “The techniques were the same as those used on our own people in the [Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape] program. No one should slander the brave men & women who carried out this crucial program.”

              Meghan McCain, who co-hosts “The View,” then fired back at Cheney: “My father doesn’t need torture explained to him.”

              ……

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            • Marleen August 20, 2022 / 4:25 pm

              My own father served (in the Air Force but on a ship) in between going to college and being a new father. It was during the Kennedy administration (I think, but am not sure, it was “The Bay of Pigs” fiasco, but there was another short-lived action).

              https://www.salon.com/2018/05/10/dick-cheney-who-endorses-gina-haspel-to-head-the-cia-wants-to-make-torture-great-again/

              Haspel was later involved in the destruction of videotapes documenting [some of] the agency’s [behaviours].

              ~


              Cheney holds his own military prowess and opinions on torture in high regard – despite the fact that he, unlike McCain, dodged the draft five times.

              ……

              ~

              ~

              ~

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            • Marleen August 20, 2022 / 5:13 pm

              https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/17739.htm

              The Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis, 1961-1962

              In early 1961 President John F. Kennedy concluded that Fidel Castro was a Soviet client working to subvert Latin America. After much debate in his administration Kennedy authorized a clandestine invasion of Cuba by a brigade of Cuban exiles. The brigade hit the beach at the Bay of Pigs on April 17, 1961, but the operation collapsed in spectacular failure within 2 days. Kennedy took public responsibility for the mistakes made, but remained determined to rid Cuba of Castro.

              In November 1961 Kennedy approved Operation Mongoose, a secret plan aimed at stimulating a rebellion in Cuba that the United States could support. While the Kennedy administration planned Operation Mongoose, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev secretly introduced medium-range nuclear missiles into Cuba. U.S intelligence picked up evidence of a general Soviet arms build-up during routine surveillance flights and on September 4, 1962, Kennedy issued a public warning against the introduction of offensive weapons into Cuba.

              A U-2 flight on October 14 provided the first proof of Soviet medium-range ballistic missiles in Cuba. Kennedy called together 18 of his closest advisers to try to resolve the most dangerous U.S.-Soviet confrontation of the cold war. Some advisers argued for an air strike to take out the missiles and destroy the Cuban air force followed by a U.S. invasion of Cuba; others favored warnings to Cuba and the Soviet Union. The President decided upon a middle course.

              On October 22 Kennedy ordered a naval quarantine of Cuba. He sent a letter to Khrushchev calling upon him to remove the missiles, thus initiating an exchange of correspondence between the two leaders that continued throughout the crisis. On October 24 Soviet vessels approached the quarantine line but turned back; 3 days later, the Cubans shot down a U.S. reconnaissance plane. ~

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            • Marleen August 20, 2022 / 6:50 pm

              https://history.state.gov/milestones/1961-1968/cuban-missile-crisis#:~:text=After%20the%20failed%20U.S.%20attempt,missiles%20in%20Cuba%20to%20deter

              ~

              These images were processed and presented to the White House the next day, thus precipitating the onset of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

              Kennedy summoned his closest advisers to consider options and direct a course of action for the United States that would resolve the crisis. Some advisers—including all the Joint Chiefs of Staff—argued for an air strike to destroy the missiles, followed by a U.S. invasion of Cuba; others favored stern warnings to Cuba and the Soviet Union. The President decided upon a middle course. … The use of “quarantine” legally distinguished this action from a blockade, which assumed a state of war existed; the use of “quarantine” instead of “blockade” also enabled the United States to receive the support of the Organization of American States.

              That same day, Kennedy sent a letter to Khrushchev declaring that the United States would not permit offensive weapons to be delivered to Cuba, and demanded that the Soviets dismantle the missile bases already under construction or completed, and return all offensive weapons to the U.S.S.R. The letter was the first in a series of direct and indirect communications between the White House and the Kremlin throughout the remainder of the crisis.

              The President also went on national television that evening to inform the public of the developments in Cuba, his decision to initiate and enforce a “quarantine,” and the potential global consequences if the crisis continued to escalate. The tone of the President’s remarks was stern, and the message unmistakable and evocative of the Monroe Doctrine: “It shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union.” The Joint Chiefs of Staff announced a military readiness status of DEFCON 3 as U.S. naval forces began implementation of the quarantine and plans accelerated for a military strike on Cuba.

              On October 24, Khrushchev responded to Kennedy’s message with a statement that the U.S. “blockade” was an “act of aggression” and that Soviet ships bound for Cuba would be ordered to proceed. Nevertheless, during October 24 and 25, some ships turned back from the quarantine line; others were stopped by U.S. naval forces, but they contained no offensive weapons and so were allowed to proceed. Meanwhile, U.S. reconnaissance flights over Cuba indicated the Soviet missile sites were nearing operational readiness. With no apparent end to the crisis in sight, U.S. forces were placed at DEFCON 2—meaning war involving the Strategic Air Command was imminent. On October 26, Kennedy told his advisors it appeared that only a U.S. attack on Cuba would remove the missiles, but he insisted on giving the diplomatic channel a little more time. The crisis had reached a virtual stalemate.

              That afternoon, however, the crisis took a dramatic turn. ABC News correspondent John Scali reported to the White House that he had been approached by a Soviet agent suggesting that an agreement could be reached in which the Soviets would remove their missiles from Cuba if the United States promised not to invade the island. While White House staff scrambled to assess the validity of this “back channel” offer, Khrushchev sent Kennedy a message the evening of October 26, which meant it was sent in the middle of the night Moscow time. It was a long, emotional message that raised the specter of nuclear holocaust, and presented a proposed resolution that remarkably resembled what Scali reported earlier that day. “If there is no intention,” he said, “to doom the world to the catastrophe of thermonuclear war, then let us not only relax the forces pulling on the ends of the rope, let us take measures to untie that knot. We are ready for this.”

              Although U.S. experts were convinced the message from Khrushchev was authentic, hope for a resolution was short-lived. The next day, October 27, Khrushchev sent another message indicating that any proposed deal must include the removal of U.S. Jupiter missiles from Turkey. That same day a U.S. U–2 reconnaissance jet was shot down over Cuba. Kennedy and his advisors prepared for an attack on Cuba within days as they searched for any remaining diplomatic resolution. It was determined that Kennedy would ignore the second Khrushchev message and respond to the first one. That night, Kennedy set forth in his message to the Soviet leader proposed steps for the removal of Soviet missiles from Cuba under supervision of the United Nations, and a guarantee that the United States would not attack Cuba.

              It was a risky move to ignore the second Khrushchev message. Attorney General Robert Kennedy then met secretly with Soviet Ambassador to the United States, Anatoly Dobrynin, and indicated that the United States was planning to remove the Jupiter missiles from Turkey anyway, and that it would do so soon, but this could not be part of any public resolution of the missile crisis. The next morning, October 28, Khrushchev issued a public statement that Soviet missiles would be dismantled and removed from Cuba.

              The crisis was over but the naval quarantine continued until the Soviets agreed to remove their IL–28 bombers from Cuba and, on November 20, 1962, the United States ended its quarantine. U.S. Jupiter missiles were removed from Turkey in April 1963.

              The Cuban missile crisis stands as a singular event during the Cold War and strengthened Kennedy’s image domestically and internationally. It also may have helped mitigate negative world opinion regarding the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. Two other important results of the crisis came in unique forms. First, despite the flurry of direct and indirect communications between the White House and the Kremlin—perhaps because of it—Kennedy and Khrushchev, and their advisers, struggled throughout the crisis to clearly understand each others’ true intentions, while the world hung on the brink of possible nuclear war. In an effort to prevent this from happening again, a direct telephone link between the White House and the Kremlin was established; it became known as the “Hotline.” Second, having approached the brink of nuclear conflict, both superpowers began to reconsider the nuclear arms race and took the first steps in agreeing to a nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

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            • Marleen August 20, 2022 / 11:38 pm

              Yesterday on American Voices with Alicia Melendez:
              Cuba is now in the throws of a severe energy crisis.
              It started when lightning struck an oil storage depot …
              ~

              Ed Augustin (freelance journalist in Havana): Cubans use fans and air conditioning [among other reasons] to keep mosquitos [with denge] away. How can you do that with no power? ~ You have to think about the causes. One of the causes are the U.S. sanctions. ~ President Biden, on the campaign trial, promised to do away with the Trump sanctions. He hasn’t fulfilled that promise. And he’s left in place, for example, one of the sanctions… to target oil tankers coming to the country from Venezuela. [According] to economists, that ups the price Cuba has to pay on the open market to import fuel. Another factor, war in Ukraine; driven up gas prices all over the world. ~ One of the paradoxical things about the war in Ukraine is that Russia has had to look for new outlets for its energy. And Cuba has been one of those benefactors. This week, a Russian oil tanker carrying 700,000 barrels of oil … has been unloading that petrol here on the island.

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  6. Carol anne August 10, 2022 / 2:02 pm

    I think it has definitely ended his career. But he’s stubborn. I bet he’ll keep on trying. He doesnt strike me as someone who will let things go easily. Even though he’s guilty!

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  7. Marilyn Armstrong August 10, 2022 / 3:33 pm

    I’m pretty sure I’ve reached the stage where I don’t want to know more. It’s depressing. It will get worse. You think if mortality finally catches up with the obese T that his “followers” will be waiting for his resurrection?

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  8. ruddjr August 10, 2022 / 4:40 pm

    A political commentator on CBC news (Canadian) said what we are all thinking “I don’t want to talk about it anymore”. I don’t think it’s ended his political career. I hope I’m wrong!

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  9. Taswegian1957 August 11, 2022 / 2:34 am

    You’d think so wouldn’t you given what we’ve heard but I’ll believe he’s gone when he’s six feet under.

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  10. rugby843 August 11, 2022 / 11:55 am

    You mean the Teflon Tyrant? I wish so but doubt it

    Sent from my iPhone

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